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between geithner and john boehner at one point calling for his resignation but they realized they have to get a deal. it's in the best interest of the president to get a deal to use his political capital on immigration reform. but when you get a deal, do you get a big deal in december or just a downpayment then the big deal comes in january? democrats want -- they have the political capitol and leverage after the election. they want a big deal now. john boehner wants the congress to be seated, put a down payment on then a major tax reform in january, february, maybe march. >> i hadn't thought about that. paid it out in payments before it was approved. great to see you, bob. thank you very much. >> thanks. >>> the brand-new reaction this morning to the attacks in libya and benghazi after a week of testimony on capitol hill. in an interview today chris wallace sat down with key u.s. senators on the homeland security and intelligence committees. >> also listen to this. [ sirens] . >> this day, the violence intensifying in the middle east. israel threatening to escalate its forces. it's us
boehner has balked at that idea. it would take away his party's leverage in fiscal cliff issues. >> there's a lot of issues on the table that need to be resolved. i laid out a reasonable framework where both parties can work together and i'm looking forward to meet at the white house on friday and begin that conversation. >> reporter: boehner and other top republicans have proposed eliminating deductions and loopholes that benefit the wealthy instead of raising their tax rates. >> we're not going to hurt our economy and make job creation more difficult, which is exactly what that plan would do. >> reporter: today the president argued closing loopholes alone won't do enough to cut the deficit. they will have that argument face to face with boehner on friday. >> one of the most frequent criticisms we've heard over the past few years from members on both sides is that you haven't done enough to reach out and build relationships. are there concrete ways that you plan to approach your relationships with congress in the second term? >> look, i think there's no doubt i can always do better and i
of those things need to be in play. when john boehner talks about raising revenue he's willing to do that if it only comes in the form of tax reform, not raising tax rates, but actually lore erring tax rates, closing loopholes, broadening the base and you will get more money coming into the treasury. the other part of the equation that is so important which has not been part of the public conversation is cutting spending, not just slowing the rate of growth but actually cutting spending to try to get this deficit under control. i know the republicans don't control the narrative on this but i want to hear more from them on that side of the equation. jon: julie our nodding your head you must agree. >> i think both sides need to come to the table. enough already with these sort of, you know, showmanship, game man ship, these are people's lives that are at stake in this economy. monica is right in that the president does control the upper hand at this point. if nothing is done all the bush tax rates will expire. you have exit polling coming out of the recent election saying two-thirds of
. rich: they are not offering very many specifics this early on. we do have a ways to go. john boehner did offer framework. the framework would have tax and entitlement targets, revenue targets, spending targets, that this year in the next couple months. congress would work out the details in 2013. both leaders from both parties and both houses say it is time to get to work. >> we will continue to have revenue on the table. we are serious. we are serious about cutting spending and solving our fiscal problems. >> we will do it now. we feel very comfortable with each other. this is not something we will wait until the last day of december to get it done. rich: they met for a little longer than an hour here at the white house. much of the talk was positive. there really is not anything close to specifics right now coming from anyone in all of this. here he read and nancy pelosi really did not mention entitlement at all. rich o'connell highlighted the fact that his conference in the senate believes that this country does not have a taxing problem, it has a spending problem. there are still
that in place we are removing half of the fiscal cliff. >> speaker john boehner offered what he considers a balanced approach generating the revenue from tax reform and entitlement reform. late today, boehner said the president's position is flawed. >> we are not going to hurt our economy an make job creation more difficult. which is exactly what that plan would do. >> letter sent by the u.s. chamber of commerce and signed by 232 organizations calls on the president and congress to immediately extend all the tax cuts and find other cuts to replace sequestration. the president suggested taking a closer look at reforming entitlements without offing details and says he would like to simplify the tax code. mr. obama says he wants congress to act now to extend tax cut for middle class and try to avoid boxing himself in on upcoming negotiation. >> i'm open to come plo mize and new ideas. i have been encouraged for republicans to agree to more revenue as part of the arithmetic if we are serious to reduce deficit. >> the top republican in senate who is a key player in upcoming talks says raising
age to 67 and cap benefit hikes under social security. obama and house speaker john boehner are due to begin negotiations friday on averting the so-called fiscal cliff of expiring tax cuts and automatic spending reductions set to take effect at the end of the year. speaking in washington, treasury secretary timothy geithner stressed the urgency of reaching a deal. >> i know the cliff is unattractive. it would cause a lot of damage to the american economy. a careful about those who argue and urge for "let's just extend while we negotiate." it will leave a different source of uncertainty on the table, like what would give the people the incentive to come back and do something tough. >> millions of workers in europe have joined a general strike today protesting the wave of spending cuts and tax hikes that has swept the continent in the name of austerity. spanish and portuguese workers are coordinating their strike with work stoppages also planned in greece, italy, france and belgium. we will have more on the strike after headlines. closing arguments have ended in a pretrial hearing to
is house speaker boehner's birthday. for those of you who want to wish him a happy birthday, we are not going to get him a cake because we did not know how many candles we would need. [laughter] >> thank you. >> thank you. >> following the meeting, house and leaders spoke briefly to reporters. >> good morning, everyone. we just had a meeting with the president to talk about america posted fiscal problems. i outlined a framework that deals with reforming our tax code and reforming our spending. i believe the framework that i have outlined in our meeting today is consistent with the president's call for a fair and balanced approach. to show our seriousness, we have put revenue on the table as long as it is accompanied by significant spending cuts. we are going to continue to have that on the table to show the american people that we are serious about cutting spending and solving our fiscal dilemma. i believe that we can do this and avert the fiscal cliff. >> this is not the first time we have dealt with these issues. we feel we understand what the problem is. i feel very good abou
of a change. john boehner will be the speaker of the house, you know, unless something unforeseen happens in the next few weeks. he will be, he will keep the reign. the republicans gained, you know, a few seats, but that's not really going to effect his shot. he ran unopposed in ohio for his own race, and the defining conflict of the republican conference in the 112th congress, this sort of conflict between eric cantor, the majority leader, and john boehner, the speaker, is really behind them at least, you know, from everything that we have seen. the -- so that is remarkably stable, the first three positions. john boehner will be, you know, the next speaker, eric cantor will be the majority leader, and kevin mccarthy will be the majority whip. where it starts to get interesting is for the conference chairman position. this is currently held by jeb hensarling who is making a bid to be the financial services chairman. hensarling has been a sort of rising star for a while within republican ranks. he was a republican study committee chairman which is sort of the top conservative position in r
of the white house and the senate. i think john boehner has been the biggest in this, putting revenue on the table. i do agree with doug and i think that we will get some last-minute deal where we will kick the can down the road. if we go to the fiscal cliff, my party will shoulder the blame. trust me, my party is losing the message game and that is why we are having a bargain right now. >> there is a larger point. bottom line, if we go into some kind of economic downturn or a recession, all sides and all parties. >> i do agree with you. when the finger-pointing goes down, my party is the one to blame. right now we are trying to put humpty dumpty back together. gerri: to that point, and to both of you, what does the republican party need to do? to change the way it is viewed, we need to do? >> we can't continue to be the party of old white men. we have to work and take control of immigration reform and we have to change our message. we have to stop the fire and brimstone. if you don't vote for us, you are a lazy mood or read it. we feel your pain, we are here with you, stick with us a
boehner, basically had a deal in place, it ended up getting blown up at the last minute. i think there is a, perhaps, a new conciliation on both sides. i think they were waiting for the election to get over. i think the attitudes are positive on both sides. and i think they've got the framework for a deal already set up from last year. so i don't think that there are any closer but i also don't think they were that far away last year in 2011. >> do you think that closing the loopholes would be enough for a deficit reduction package? >> it doesn't appear that that's going to raise enough revenue to get to where the democrats want that to be. republicans say they don't want to raise rates. there are some -- there's some budget chicanery that can go on in terms of dealing with one baseline instead of another baseline. that's what it looked like boehner wanted to do last year. there are a lot of different options here. it's interesting, bill kristol from the weekly standard appeared to be talking to grover norquist, the anti-tax activist in those comments that he played earlier, talk
's about to happen in this building in an hour from now. speaker boehner, senator mcconnell, senator reid, democratic leader pelosi, all will come here and speak for a couple hours. day one of negotiations. nobody is expecting huge news but as jim has already tweeted out this morning, the market is going to look for signs that this tone of compromise that we've heard so much about all week long is that for real or are talks going to break down in early stages? the market specifically is going to depend on that tone today and we'll bring that live when the meeting happens a little after 10:00 a.m. >> we've seen reaction of futures to the possibility of a deal. we've been down for six of the past seven days but the dow this morning implied open is up 33 points. sapp looks s&p looks to add fiv. here we have italy down three-quarter percent and mixed bag for the rest. carl? okay. we're going to go to the road map this morning. that is where carl is in washington d.c. reports this morning that hard decisions surrounding deficit reduction could be kicked down the road until 2013 in favor of a s
'll play their hand i think to their full advantage. >> what kind of hand does john boehner have? where sg it leave him and his ability to control the tea party wing? >> it actually puts skron boehner in a good position because during the debt ceiling talks last year, he had a lot of push back from the very far right of his party in the house. the tea party caucus, for example. this time around we won't see the same dynamic at all because the tea party caucus and far right have lost a lot of political capital in light of the election. so what we've already seen is speaker boehner talking to republicans in the house, putting his foot down early and saying we're not going to have that same push back we saw. instead, i'm going to tell you what we're going to do and what this deal is going to look like and you'll fall into line. >> he got criticism because he negotiated a deal and then went back and tried to sell to the party. does he naed to do he need to d way around, get a set position and then go into discussions? >> i think that is the thinking this time around. and he has certainly recog
, house speaker john boehner said that congress has ways to avert the fiscal crisis, but rewriting the tax code in two or three weeks is not one of them. lawmakers have until midnight on new year's eve to reach an agreement. the first round of meetings begins today. hurricane sandy's power-packed winds swept away sales momentum in the retail sector, especially in the car industry. prior to the storm, retail sales were edging higher. the month of september was revised up 1.3% from 1.1%. but after sandy, overall, retail sales slid .3% in october, the first dip in 3 months. automaker sales plunged 1.5%, the larget drop since august of 2011. car makers blame the storm for sluggish sales and predict a rebound in november. the national automobile dealer'' association is standing by its prediction that as many as a quarter of a million vehicles suffered damage from superstorm sandy. and as our cover story explains, many of them could be resold at auction and wind up on used car lots from coast-to- coast. the national automobile dealer'' association says despite fewer than 40,000 claims filed in t
of avoiding the fiscal cliff. he'll meet with harry reid, mitch mcconnell, john boehner and nancy pelosi at quarter after 10:00 eastern time. mcconnell says republicans won't raise tax rates. the white house says the president won't sign an extension of tax cuts for top earners. chinese officials including the country's vice minister are sounding alarm bells with external risks to growth. they hope the uts will come to an agreement on tax issues or warns the country could face a slide into deep recession. eunice yoom is taking a closer look at the relationship between the two economic super powers and how they're likely to proceed. >> she's sitting down to her regular taste of americana. she and her co-workers dine out at their favorite fast food joint from the west twice a week, exactly the kind of middle income chinese american companies hope will drive their future growth. >> translator: we're used to eating rice, she says. it's convenient and nice to have fast food once in a while and have a change. american companies are hoping gnaw leadership will make it easier to sell to chinese
are stopping by. all leading up to the meeting on friday. john boehner, harry reid, mitch mcconnell, the same group last year. since that meeting, republicans have been discussing revenue increases. democrats want tax rate increases. republicans say there are other ways to get there like curbing tax deductions. >> this whole notion of capital gains and dividend taxes is really an explicit to pension funds and the ability of moms and pops that are out there to have income producing small capital investments. rich: the president's budget increases the top tax rate from 15 to 20%. meeting friday at the white house. back to you. lori: we know you will be there, rich. thank you. melissa: the president calling on congressional leaders to work together. congress has a voter mandate not to raise taxes. joining us now is steve moore from the "wall street journal." thank you for hopping on the phone to talk to us. i am really interested in the interview that you did. he said over the weekend "let me put it very clearly, i am not willing to turn off taxes for the sequester." >> one of the things that ca
other point that i want to make and that is that my understanding is tomorrow is representative boehner's birthday. for those who want to wish him a happy birthday, we're not going to embarrass him with a cake because we didn't know how many candles were needed -- >> yeah, right. >> but we do want to wish him a happy birthday. >> thank you. >> thank you, everybody. appreciate it. >> house and senate leaders spoke briefly to reporters. >> good morning, everyone. we had a very constructive meeting with the president to talk about america's fiscal problem. i outlined a framework that deals with reforming our tax code and reforming our spending. i believe that the framework that i have outlined in our meeting today is consistent with the president's call for a fair and balanced approach. to show our seriousness, we have put revenue on the table as long it's accompanied by significant spending cuts. while we're going to continue to have revenue on the table, it's going to be incumbent for my colleagues to show the american people that we're serious about cutting spending and solving our fisc
's chief negotiating adversary right now, speaker john boehner who was re-elected by house republicans yesterday said they're not ready to accept the president's proposal because it would, quote, hurt our economy and make jobs more difficult. but he also sounded the kumbaya theme. >> now, i do think that the spirit of cooperation that you've seen over the last week, from myself and my team. from democrats across the aisle. from the president. have created an atmosphere where i think that, i remain optimistic. >> folks, there are a lot closer than sometime the bravadoish headlines seem to make clear. this is really about what can boehner take to 50 to 100 house republicans who are willing to temporarily potentially raise some tax rates on some group of wealthier americans? >>> by the way, after $6 billion spent on house senate and presidential campaign, not only did party control not change for the house, senate and white house. but the individual leaders who will begin the negotiations tomorrow, it's the exact group of people. there are some personnel changes but not on that leadership
provisions giving you 1.6. the starting point for the administration. john boehner about a year and a half ago stopped about 800 alien dollars worth of revenue through tax reform. republicans won't give a number now but they want tax reform and an overhau overhauled the entirm to generate new revenue. there was talk about this yesterday with treasury secretary commissioner who said to that idea pretty much forgot about it. >> there is a lot of magical thinking about how much money can raise from tax adventures. people will look at that question and concluded i think incorrectly that there is a huge amount of resources. i think that is untrue. >> a dozen of ceos meet with the president and a couple of hours from now after the president's news conference at 1:30. a number of these executives have been to the white house before. members of the export council, jobs council, ceo of of ge, tao, ford, also say what the white house on the different councils in some form or another. cheryl: we will be taken the tae news conference from the president lives and the ceo will have something to chew on
boehner has a big task ahead of him. can the house speaker pull the gop together and try to make a deal with the president on the fiscal cliff as jay leno was talking about. should he? should a deal be made? a fair and balanced debate is coming up. lots of talk how the united states will eventually be world's top oil producer. that is what some say. there are questions why it is taking so long. those stories and breaking news all "happening now." jenna: well, it is a little unbelievable, but there is lot of twists and turns in this scandal we've been following so closely surrounding former cia chief and now others. hi, everybody. glad to have you with us. i'm jenna lee. rick: happy tuesday. i'm rick folbaum in for jon. controversy over the timeline of events over the petraeus investigation with members of congress wanting to know why the fbi didn't notify them and the white house until just recently when it began months ago. that investigation far from over. fbi searching the home of petraeus's alleged mistress, paula broadwell. after david petraeus resigned his post as america's top sp
the tone of speaker boehner's remarks was very good. i also want to see what the substance was. what i do know is that different people heard this remark and interpret it in very different ways. grover norquist said he thought it was a good statement by speaker boehner, and other people who think we need to generate additional revenues to have a deficit reduction plan also say he made a good statement. it would be good to know exactly what he is talking about. >> how about for you? the whole premise of tax cuts, as we talked about the last 24 hours, is to eliminate deductions and bring down rates. that is what happened in 1986. >> i am talking about, what is our starting point in terms of the rates? what are we negotiating from? are we negotiating down from 35% or from 39%? i want to emphasize this point -- simpson-bowles, go look at it. they assume the amount of revenue that you would achieve if you allow the tax rate to go up. their tax reform plan is built off an assumption that you will get the amount of revenue as if he started at 39% and went down. they begin with what they call the
back and forth. you had boehner's position from the -- >> i don't want to anger the viewers, you but i think they're looking at obama's words the same way they look it at the polls with the kind of sense of here's what i want to believe. >> if they lose, do they go along with that and say we will accept that or do they push it over the fiscal cliff. you have people on the right and the left who are saying go over. >> in the press conference yesterday, my read of what obama said was we're raising the rates and we're put a structure for eliminating entitlements. >> correct. but if we're talking about rates, if you were playing joe, you would hear that the argument would be that this will never actually work. republicans won't go loochialon it. so some people were suggesting maybe there is a way to do 35% and get rid of deductions. >> but remember was it geithner on -- today is thursday. so this would have been tuesday. he said people are diluting themselves to think we can get where we need to get with loopholes. and i don't know about the right max, but my understanding is i don't think
, the president is meeting with john boehner, the first face-to-face talk. in december 2010, you called your plan the moment of truth. almost two years later, but moment are we at now? >> i think this is the magic moment. a moment when our generation has the chance to really do something about this problem that we created. it is our generation that got us into this mess. i think we have a good chance. yet a second term democrats president who has come out and said he is willing to put entitlements on the table. big deal. you have a speaker, a republican speaker who really gets it. he understands the deaths of the problems they face. he has said the are going to put revenues on the table. big move. we got half the members of the senate already saying they will support a balanced plan. which makes a lot of sense. we have the business community lined up firmly for doing something. most importantly, we have the fiscal cliff. where if we go over it, we are going to face the most predictable economic crisis in history. for all of us in here, it is also the most avoidable. i think this is the magic mome
driving the decisions made here. i think citing i believe speaker boehner, it's fair to say that the president also believes we don't -- he's not looking to box himself in or box other people's ideas out. as we approach the conversation that will be in on friday. >> suggest to the meeting that just took place they might have to give up more than they would like? >> i think the president has made very clear that everyone, throughout this process, not just in this past week since the election, but for some time now, that the whole point of compromise is that nobody gets to achieve their maximalist position. that was the approach we took throughout negotiations in 2011 and it's the principle the president has based his own proposals on. if you look at, again, the programs that the president has already cut through legislation he signed into law, if you look at the savings he's willing to enact as part of his plan, it demonstrates a willingness to give so that you can meet your negotiating partner somewhere in the middle and reach a deal. >> you don't have any specific -- >> i d
in the washington post this morning. a picture of president obama and john boehner. the upbeat tone was a dramatic shift from recent years when the president and a gop fortified by anti-government activists clashed repeatedly over spending and taxes. if he were to go to yesterday's new york times, they have a listening are at least pictures of the key leaders that will be involved in this process. to show you where they stand specifically on some issues, here is the president saying he will reject any bill that extends tax cuts for the wealthy. here is john boehner who has said raising tax rates is unacceptable and a new revenue should be generated by economic growth spurred by a simpler tax code and that closes loopholes and and deductions. there are some other leaders involved in this project. what do you think they will be able to do to keep the fiscal cliff from happening by the end of the year? that meeting taking place at the white house. here is some video from it. if you are looking at that again and you want to wait and on this topic, you can call in. your confidence on congressional lead
heard from speaker john boehner and mitch mcconnell on their position because they will all be here at the white house on friday to get these talks kick started. melissa: thank you so much. lori: estevez houston with a news conference, president obama will be sitting down with a ceos to talk about solutions to avoid the fiscal cliff. rich edson in washington as well the latest developments. >> good afternoon. wrapping in the 2:00 hour, leaves the east room, here to the west wing where he will meet with about a dozen ceos, half of whom are part of the export counselor, jobs council, or they are very familiar with the white house, in particular this white house. the discussion is of the opening offer on taxes, $1.6 trillion in tax increases, most of that tax increases on rate and deductions for those earning more than $250,000 per year. republicans wanted an overhaul of the entire tax system and create revenue through an overhaul of the tax code mostly by getting rid of deductions. saying no to higher rates. that is the risk the treasury secretary shot down. >> there's a lot of magica
tax increases one way or another. bill: do you think that flies in the u.s. house? does john boehner have the votes to match that? >> the white house figures he will portray himself as the chapel yofnt middle class and the republicans are going out for the rift and he feels he can largely beat hem into submission. when they sit down to the bargaining table they might make some changes but he will want to come out of these negotiations as having largely won them and leaving scraps for the republicans. what the republicans have to hit back with is the way you increase revenues is by having rising incomes. you don't get that by higher taxes on a weakening economy. bill: the president plans to open the talks using his most recent budget proposal. wasn't that the budget that got zero votes in the senate? >> he's going to exploit it for all it's worth. you could come to an agreement using bowles and simpson and reducing rates so everyone declares victory. you have got more revenue but the rates don't go up. but i don't think the president is interested in that. if you had normal people doi
with both speaker boehner and president obama coming out talkital talking about the fiscal cliff. this week we'll see a round of negotiations capped off by a meeting at the white house between congressional leaders and executive branch coming up on friday. where are they going to end up? there are a lot of solutions kicking around town. the final deal is probably going to end up looking like at least one of these different proposals. let me walk you through four of them here so you get a sense of where we might be headed starting with the simpson bowles plan. they would cap the mortgage industry deduction at $400,000. they would also tax capital gains and dividends as ordinary income and they would have the employer sponsored health care exclusion phased out. that would be a big tax increase there. another plan that's floating around out there, you would see mortgage interest deduction limited to $25,000 of interest. capital gains and dividends here also taxed as ordinary income and the state and local tax deduction would be repealed. the gang of six plan is another one that's kicking aroun
to be that much wiggle room, speaker boehner sounded a bit optimistic. >> i've outlined a framework for how both parties can work together to avert the fiscal cliff, without raising tax rates. >> a few have looked closely at what the president have had to say, looked closely at what i have to say. there are no barriers here to sitting down and beginning to work through this process. >> the president says that he is open to any ideas, good ideas, from republicans, to get revenue. he said that he will not slam the door in their faces, but still taking that tough stand, that he will not extend those bush-era tax cuts for wealthy americans. we also saw the president take a strong stand, as you pointed out, in defending his ambassador, ambassador susan rice. the president realizing that she's been coming under attack from republicans, in particular, senator john mccain, who's been going after her, because of the narrative that she told shortly after those benghazi attacks. senator mccain saying that he just wants to get all the facts, suggesting that the white house has not been transparent. the pres
. house speaker john boehner called the meeting very constructive. >> i outlined a framework that deals with reforming our tax code and reforming our spending. and i believe the framework that i've outlined in our meeting today is consistent with the president's call for a fair and balanced approach. >> reporter: to republican leaders balance means some higher tax revenues are paired with reductions in spending and changes in entitlement programs. that's a challenge for democrats, but the president seemed willing to move in that direction. >> our challenge is to make sure that we are able to cooperate together, work together, find some common ground, make some tough compromises, build some consensus to do the peoples business. and what folks are looking for-- and i think all of us agree on this-- is action. >> reporter: speaker pelosi suggested the leaders agree on milestones that will bolster the economy. >> we should have a goal in terms of how much deficit reduction. we should have a deadline before christmas. we should show some milestones of success so that confidence can build as
question. john boehner, he said it's going to take a long time to work this out. let's keep in mind here that will cost every american family $3500. what can you do by december 31? >> well, we can pass the republican bill that came through the house that is sitting in the senate. the economy is still going the wrong way. we have more americans on fd stamps than ever before in history, and all he wants to do is talk out raising taxes. gerri: congressman cummings a pleasure to talk you tonight. thank you for coming on. >> absolutely. gerri: president obama pushing his tax agenda. but who didn't earn a seat at the table? small busiss. big mistake, mr. president, that's what my next guest says. he is the president of the american business week. welcome to the show. it is great to have you here. i was shocked. we have all big fortune 5 companies going into that room. the missing players were walll street, and also small business. >> i would tell them that einstein says we can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinkin. obama went to big businesses a couple of years ago looking for sol
incomes now and ensuring security for the future. hthis is the end of vision that speaker boehner without for the country last week. i cannot think why the present would not embrace it. someone said we should go over the cliff. just go off of the cliff. hope for the best. i do not think that is what the american people had in mind when they went to the polls last week. but they had in mind is that we put the contest of the past two years behind us and work it out. the best way forward in the way that will lead to jobs and growth, a smaller deficits, and you were political fights is to keep everyone where they are. figure out a way to avoid the automatic defense cuts scheduled to hit at the end of the year without putting a penny last thing we promised and committed to the entitlement reforms that we all claim we want. a simpler tax code that lowers rates and cuts special interest loopholes would create jobs and result in more revenue without raising anyone's rates. we know this because we have seen it before. it actually works. i do not think washington should get any of that extra revenu
hubbard, what boehner said, and i take from this collection some optimism in 20 # 13 the way it might play out is whether we go over or don't go over the fiscal cliff, you know, there's a lot to happen in the next three months, that we get to some space where if they did a trillion dollars of cuts and reforms to entitlements, a frl on discretionary, a trillion in new revenue, a trillion in saved interest only because the budget doesn't understand net present value, but that's okay, but if you did that, there's a grand bargain in a way that would be, i think, a pretty good accomplishment for both parties. i think that the principle thing in that is is can you gent a significant chunk of republicans in the house to support anything that has a trillion dollars of revenue in it. >> you think they reach a bargain, move quickly over the cliff. what happens to get to the bargain? >> yeah, sorry, i thought that's what you were asking. >> yeah. >> i'm pessimistic they will be able to sort out that bargain in the next two months so i'm afraid there's -- i think a serious danger, they go over the fis
candidates. but romney was beaten with a tax plan not dissimilar from the one boehner is currently pushing which is we won't allow taxes to go up, but we will close loopholes and romney lost on that. so there is a sense that obama for the short term has won the argument. >> granted it's a huge issue, but how many people was this election really a verdict on their tax plans? >> well, the argument is that romney often polled very well on competence in the economy, but obama polled much better on understands the needs of people like me. so there's a sense that if it comes down to class and empathy, the democrats have momentum here and the republicans are on the back foot. so in that sense, i think obama has an advantage. on the other hand republicans do have a good case to make when it comes to taxes because something that's not often discussed is that the costs of obama care will start to kick in in 2013. one example, businesses which hire 50th notice ewill face a fine of $40,000 if they don't take on government approved health care insurance. so republicans can argue that when we approach t
boehner, the president proposed $800 billion in new tax revenues. but now, he is seeking twice that. $1.6 trillion in new taxes over the next ten years. that's a bitter pill for republicans to swallow. speaker boehner has called raising tax rates on anybody unacceptable. but he hasn't ruled out limiting deductions and closing loopholes. and that could be the outline of a possible deal. >> if you looked closely at what the president had to say, looked closely at what i have had to say, there are no barriers here to sitting down and beginning to work through this process. >> reporter: but if they don't come to a resolution, beginning january 1st, the economy could be thrown back into recession. and households making $70,000 a year could see their taxes increase over $4,000. the president said he is open to new ideas. and if republicans have a way to raise taxes on the wealthy without raising rates, he wouldn't slam the door on them. george? >> the dancing begins. jon, thanks very much. >>> let's get to josh and the mounting violence in the middle east. >> as we all slept, we're going to b
really intense negotiations and both the president and john boehner in the house --. lori: david, i'm so sorry to interrupt you. we have breaking news. we'll get back to the conversation. we're getting started. the president we are hearing arriving in staten island, an area, hard, hard hit by superstorm sandy. he is is expected to address the press after he speaks with first-responders. you can see the crowd there. a lot of media members looking to grab an interview or comments from the president as he tours sandy's storm-ravaged staten island. all right. let's return to our conversation with mr. west self "the wall street journal.". when we hear from the mr. president we'll return to that. thanks for rolling, david. continue with your comments. you said this was the calm before the storm if you will. >> right. everybody is basically trying to jockey for position, making clear what their opening bid is and trying to make the public thing if this doesn't work out it was the other guy who was reasonable, other guy was unreasonable. lori: what is going to get this thing going? >> right. i t
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